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German Colonies
Topic Started: Apr 20 2018, 04:57 PM (2,060 Views)
Andre Massena
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Discussion concerning Germany's colonies around the world and her concessions in China.
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It is the opinion of the Beiyang Government that all German and Austrian colonies in East Asia and the Pacific should be split between China and Japan. China insists on gaining all German and Austrian territories that are in China, however, we believe we should get some islands as well.
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Apr 20 2018, 05:28 PM
It is the opinion of the Beiyang Government that all German and Austrian colonies in East Asia and the Pacific should be split between China and Japan. China insists on gaining all German and Austrian territories that are in China, however, we believe we should get some islands as well.
Which islands in specific do you believe you have a claim to?
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Before anyone misunderstands the Beiyang Government again, let us go back to the basics. Here is a list of all Austro-German colonies in the Far East that we will be talking about here:
1. Austrian Tianjin
2. German Jiaozhou Bay
3. German Chefoo
4. German Tsingtao
5. German Samoa
6. German Kaiser-Wilhelmsland
7. German Bismarck Archipelago
8. German Solomon Islands
9. German Bougainville Island
10. German Nauru
11. German Marshall Islands
12. German Mariana Islands
13. German Caroline Islands
These are all the territories that we are discussing here. I DO NOT CLAIM THEM ALL!
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But which do you claim?
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Territories 1, 2, 3, and 4 are non-negotiable. They are all on the Chinese mainland and will be given to the Beiyang Government, no arguments. The other 9 territories, however, are fully negotiable. When I said we wanted some islands, I meant a few of these island territories should go to China as well. The 9 island territories, unlike the first four territories (Austrian Tianjin, German Jiaozhou Bay, German Chefoo, and German Tsingtao), are fully negotiable and do not necessarily have to all be Chinese. Nonetheless, we would like at least some of them as we don't have access to any other territory belonging to the Central Powers.
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I do not yet know which of the island territories I want most of all, that will be decided as the negotiations go on and I see everyone else's demands.
Edited by Emperor Joshua, Apr 20 2018, 06:00 PM.
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The Romanian delegation reminds all Chinese delegates to bear in mind those nations who are also present here.

There is no demanding that the Chinese should be doing here. That will not help you to persuade the important powers here to sign the Treaty with your demands cemented into it.
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The delegation of the Kingdom of Italy, merely remember her honorable collegues, that we are entitled to compensation if the the British and French empire add former Central Powers colonies to their empires, in any form
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I beg King Ferdinand to note that the Beiyang Government is not doing any unjust "demanding". Territories 1 through 4 were taken from China by Germany and Austria as concessions, and it is only right that they return them to their original rightful owners. However, I still would like some islands to go with them (it is OK if we split any ex-German island territories).
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In addition, we would like to ask any Allied Powers if they could agree to give up some concessions in China to the Beiyang Government to help us become stronger against the revolution and as a thank you for our help in the war. This is just a suggestion, if anyone disagrees, a simple No with a simple insult-free explanation will do.
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The Kingdom of Romania expresses concern about the stability of China at this time and their relevant capacity to handle their acquisition of ex-German colonial territory. These colonies have been owned by Europeans for decades and have prospered because of it. They have facilitated the wealth, prosperity and technology of advanced Europe to flow into China, which the Chinese should be incredibly grateful for. We are concerned that China may not be able to facilitate the roles that these cities played in the global economy satisfactorily, as Austria-Hungary and Germany had done so.

Why is it somehow any more legitimate for China to claim them when they have been a part of nations of Europe for many years (some decades, some centuries). Is it geography? Romania does not pretend to claim Sofia or Budapest simply because we are close to them and they are large, influential cities.

The nations of Britain, France, Japan, Italy and the United States have already proven themselves more than capable of operating overseas holdings in a way that has time and time again resulted in the betterment of the living conditions and prospects of the people living there. Truly any European nation with a capable navy, enough supply points and finances will be able to continue to help these colonies to prosperity. These cities have been guided by benevolent European hands for decades, why must we let them suffer because their current owners must pay reparations?
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First, China getting these colonies back is of paramount importance to our stability. If we show the Chinese masses that we can hold our own at the PPC, then we stand a chance of unifying China, otherwise we will crumble just like the Imperial government. Do you remember, King Ferdinand, why we overthrew the Qing Emperors and started this civil war in the first place? It was because of their inability to industrialize and modernize China, making it a modern nation in its own right and helping it to stand up against imperialistic foreign powers. Instead, they let China crumble in decadence as an undeveloped, colonized nation and were removed from office because of it. Right now, the Beiyang Government needs a massive popularity boost in order to help unify the Chinese around the internationally recognized Beiyang Government.
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Nonetheless, we have taken into account the fears of His Majesty King Ferdinand and have come up with a compromise. These four German colonies in China as well as any island territories or other lands that we get will be subject to a policy of "gradual decolonization". Let me explain. Instead of handing over all four colonies (as well any other territories and concessions) to China right away and risk them falling into rebel hands or worse, China will initially get only nominal control over these territories. We will set up a schedule for decolonization with checkpoints and as soon as each checkpoint is reached, the territories in which those checkpoints are reached will come more and more under de facto Chinese control. For example, let's say that in Colony X, a checkpoint is that production in Industry Z must reach a threshold of Y kg./day. The Beiyang Government will, after receiving nominal control of Colony X, will conduct laws, reforms, subsidies, and other means of boosting this production. The moment Threshold Y is reached, it means that the Beiyang Government is capable of effectively developing and maintaining Industry Z and full control over Industry Z will be transferred from European sources to Chinese sources. Once a critical amount of thresholds has been achieved, W representing this critical number, it will prove that the Beiyang Government is capable of effectively developing and maintaining Colony X and can now be given full control over it by the European sources who have held it under a mandate during this time. Please understand that W, X, Y, and Z are variables that represent various names and numbers that will be negotiated out in this conference. Thank you.
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Nonetheless, we have taken into account the fears of His Majesty King Ferdinand and have come up with a compromise. These four German colonies in China as well as any island territories or other lands that we get will be subject to a policy of "gradual decolonization". Let me explain. Instead of handing over all four colonies (as well any other territories and concessions) to China right away and risk them falling into rebel hands or worse, China will initially get only nominal control over these territories. We will set up a schedule for decolonization with checkpoints and as soon as each checkpoint is reached, the territories in which those checkpoints are reached will come more and more under de facto Chinese control. For example, let's say that in Colony X, a checkpoint is that production in Industry Z must reach a threshold of Y kg./day. The Beiyang Government will, after receiving nominal control of Colony X, will conduct laws, reforms, subsidies, and other means of boosting this production. The moment Threshold Y is reached, it means that the Beiyang Government is capable of effectively developing and maintaining Industry Z and full control over Industry Z will be transferred from European sources to Chinese sources. Once a critical amount of thresholds has been achieved, W representing this critical number, it will prove that the Beiyang Government is capable of effectively developing and maintaining Colony X and can now be given full control over it by the European sources who have held it under a mandate during this time. Please understand that W, X, Y, and Z are variables that represent various names and numbers that will be negotiated out in this conference. Thank you.
I agree with this idea somewhat, but should clarify Japan's position. Territories 2 through 4 cannot be handed over on the same schedule, as Japanese soldiers died fighting there. Everything else sounds rather reasonable, a good change by China.
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