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 Expansion of the Security Council
Polyakov
Posted: May 19 2017, 09:59 AM


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We would like to open discussion on the matter of expanding the permanent members of the UNSC to include India. India is the worlds second most populous country and exemplifies the values of the UN in that it has been one of the largest contributors to UN peacekeeping missions, both in recent history and over the whole history of the UN. It is also the worlds largest democracy which puts it clearly in line with the general principles of the UN.

When it was created the UNSC represented the world powers as they were in 1945, but time has changed matters and with the emergence of Asia in general to stand alongside Europe and the Americas there should be a recognition of that by appointing another Asian member, and no country fits the bill better than India in that matter. Doing so would increase the legitimacy of the UN in Asia and better reflect the world we live in today.

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Gyrocile
Posted: May 19 2017, 10:05 AM


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We are pleased to see this matter being brought not by India to the Security Council but by France, a P5 member.

We will shortly present an argument for why India should be granted a permanent seat on the Security Council.

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Polyakov
Posted: May 19 2017, 10:19 AM


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As this matter has been raised with us in private, this would also neccesitate the addition of an additional non-permanent member to ensure that ties in voting are less likely by maintaining the quantity of total members as an odd number.


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Gyrocile
Posted: May 19 2017, 10:27 AM


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With a population of nearly 1 billion people, India is the second largest nation in the world, above the US in third place with a population of around 250 million.

This makes India the largest democracy by a considerable margin. We believe that as a democratic country that has 15% of the world’s population India should have a permanent seat and therefore a permanent and important voice within the UN and world governance. For a developing nation India’s democracy has been incredibly stable, having experienced no civil wars or coups since Indian independence in 1947.

India can importantly represent developing non-aligned nations around the world properly in the Security Council which is good for not only the developing nations of the world but also good for the legitimacy of the permanent Security Council members and also very healthy for debate amongst permanent veto-holding members.

Finally, India is a mature and reasonable state that has taken part in and continues to take part in numerous UN peacekeeping missions, demonstrating Indian dedication for the UN and international peace that is so essential to be a mature permanent Security Council Member.

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In summary, India has 15% of the world’s population, is a stable, internationally mature, democracy and has considerable support from members of the UNGA (10/12 votes for UNSC temporary seat 1990-91 and 18/19 votes for seat on the UNCHR) and believes that an Indian permanent seat on the Security Council will promote healthy debate and helps to ensure developing nations are properly represented on the Security Council.

We thank you for your time.

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Sachieiel
Posted: May 19 2017, 01:31 PM


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I believe that if we are to consider additions to the permanent members of the Security Council, then it may be necessary to expand it by more than one seat. The current setup of permanent members represents the major powers after World War II, but now, 46 years later we live in a very different world.

In an expansion of the Security Council's permanent members I think it would be important to acknowledge those countries who have contributed the most to the UN and the fight for international peace and stability as well as to represent countries from all areas of the globe.

As such, I would promote the addition of Japan, India, Brazil, Egypt and Germany.

India has already done a good job of explaining the reasons it merits admission to the Security Council.

Brazil, alongside India has contributed the most troops to the most number on UN-Mandated missions. It has shown a clear dedication to the purposes of the UN and has time and again shown a willingness to step up to UN duties. Additionally, a permanent representative of South America would be very welcome in the Security Council, in my opinion.

Japan and Germany represent the largest financial contributors to the UN after the US, have both contributed substantially to the UN's peace keeping missions, and have very frequently served as heads of UN specialised agencies, contributing to the international community.

Whilst Egypt does not have quite the list of accolades of the other nations I have suggested, they are the most prominent member of both Africa and the Arab world in terms of contributions to the efforts of the UN, and in terms of the pursuit of peace in an area of the world otherwise terribly fraught with conflict.

I would note that these 5 countries each hold the accolades of being the nations in their region most frequently voted onto the Security Council. Clearly the assembly at large already realises what great assets these nations are to the international community. I feel that their permanent place on the Security Council would only greater enable them to contribute to the UN.


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Red John the Taiwanese Man
Posted: May 19 2017, 04:31 PM


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We do not support the admission of Japan, nor is that position likely to change in the immediate future. China, in principle, supports reform of the UN so as to better represent developing nations throughout the world. Ultimately, however, the expanding of the permanent roster of the UNSC is likely to create more issues than it will solve at this time.

And we remind the honourable delegates that whilst financial contributions are indeed extremely helpful to UN operations- this is not the IMF. Let us not parade significant UN contributions around as cause for consideration for accession to the UNSC. emot-colbert.gif


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Sachieiel
Posted: May 19 2017, 04:40 PM


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QUOTE (Red John the Taiwanese Man @ May 19 2017, 10:31 PM)
We do not support the admission of Japan, nor is that position likely to change in the immediate future. China, in principle, supports reform of the UN so as to better represent developing nations throughout the world. Ultimately, however, the expanding of the permanent roster of the UNSC is likely to create more issues than it will solve at this time.

And we remind the honourable delegates that whilst financial contributions are indeed extremely helpful to UN operations- this is not the IMF. Let us not parade significant UN contributions around as cause for consideration for accession to the UNSC. emot-colbert.gif

Whilst in no way am I suggesting that financial contributions alone would merit such a position, I do believe it to be the case that it is one factor amongst many that shows the great dedication that both Japan and Germany have shown in supporting the UN and its objectives.

Might I ask what issues it is that you expect expanding the roster to create? I do not believe that expanding the permanent UNSC roster is necessarily a good idea either (though I am open to it), but I think that with the point having been raised we should debate both the concept of expansion and which nations would be appropriate to add were we to agree to an expansion.


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Red John the Taiwanese Man
Posted: May 19 2017, 04:56 PM


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Europe might be somewhat more forgiving of Germany's history, but neither China nor Asia can easily forget the tragedies of World War II. China, to maintain economic interests, tries to hold ourself back in regards to this contentious issue, but since Germany has asked:

Japan is not conscious of its historical responsibility. From the depiction of war crimes in Japanese history books to continued visits of the Yasukuni Shrine, Japan still fails to adequately show the same remorse that Germany has shown for it's history. Furthermore, if a scenario occurred where China felt the need to veto a Japanese motion, relations would be damaged; we wish to avoid such a situation.

These problems are not only China's alone; many throughout East Asia have suffered under Japanese rule. The scars run deep, and China will not support any Japanese accession when considering these circumstances.


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Polyakov
Posted: May 19 2017, 05:01 PM


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What is Chinas view direcly concerning India alone?


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Red John the Taiwanese Man
Posted: May 19 2017, 05:37 PM


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QUOTE (Polyakov @ May 19 2017, 05:01 PM)
What is Chinas view direcly concerning India alone?

We would be more accommodating to India alone being represented.


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Gyrocile
Posted: May 19 2017, 05:45 PM


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QUOTE (Red John the Taiwanese Man @ May 19 2017, 11:37 PM)
QUOTE (Polyakov @ May 19 2017, 05:01 PM)
What is Chinas view direcly concerning India alone?

We would be more accommodating to India alone being represented.

I concur with all who have spoken so far that reform needs to happen in the Security Council to properly reflect the makeup of the world. Today is obviously very different to nearly half a century ago when the UN was established.

Unsurprisingly I hope to see India given a permanent seat to make the first step towards reform. China's concerns about Japan are understandable and so further extensive discussion is necessary to facilitate more radical reform to the Security Council.

I'll refrain from repeating the points in my lengthy statement supporting India's case.

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Posted: May 19 2017, 05:46 PM


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I think most of the world would rather we had less P5 members than more.


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Sachieiel
Posted: May 19 2017, 05:55 PM


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I feel we would benefit from more permanent members, but not more vetoes. There are a number of nations who time and again we will always want the input of, and indeed the huge number of terms served on the Security Council by certain nations supports that.


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Gyrocile
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QUOTE (Sachieiel @ May 19 2017, 11:55 PM)
I feel we would benefit from more permanent members, but not more vetoes. There are a number of nations who time and again we will always want the input of, and indeed the huge number of terms served on the Security Council by certain nations supports that.

I can certainly see both India and Germany being re-elected on the 1992-3 security council, as soon as they become eligible again.


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Sachieiel
Posted: May 19 2017, 06:03 PM


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An alternative that could be considered are adding some positions that are open to re-election rather than requiring change, so that nations that are almost constantly desired on the Security Council are able to be voted into those positions without monopolising the limited number of non-permanent seats.


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